Seth on the crucifixion
Seth said several times that Christ was not crucified.
Below is his account in Seth Speaks:
After that, Seth added some words that without the wounds, his followers would not have believed he was himself.
He ate to prove he was alive, but they took that to mean the spirit could partake of food.
And that they wanted to believe he had been crucified and arisen.
Also:
''He also told me that the man, Christ, was kidnapped by the Essenes. I
did not believe him. Nor at the time he told me did I know who Christ
was.''
SESSION 588, AUGUST 2, 1971, 9:01 P.M. MONDAY
Comment: So, MAYBE, this is "the group," along w/Judas, who gave to the
authorities a fake Christ and later took the body away after the
crucifixion?
Was Christ incommunicado for a long enough time that people
perhaps thought he'd been executed or crucified?
Did the fake Christ resemble the real one?
Some of Christ circle seemed to have had part of the story:
''Peter [a key figure in the early church] three times denied the Lord, saying he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.''
''Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son.''
And of course Judas.
Why were the followers so misunderstanding especially when some of them had at least part of the story?
Chapter 22 of SETH SPEAKS:
"Now, for your edification: Christ, the historical Christ, was not
crucified...You will have to give me time here. (Pause.)
"He had no intention of dying in that manner; but others felt that
to fulfill the prophecies in all ways, a crucifixion was a necessity.
"Christ did not take part in it. (Pause.) There was a conspiracy
in which Judas played a role, an attempt to make a martyr out of
Christ. The man chosen was drugged--hence the necessity of helping
him carry the cross (see Luke 23)--and he was told that he was
Christ.
"He believed that he was. He was one of those deluded, but he
also himself believed that he, not the historical Christ, was to
fulfill the prophecies.
"Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son. Out of compassion she was present. The group
responsible wanted it to appear that one particular portion of
the Jews had crucified Christ, and never dreamed that the whole
Jewish people would be 'blamed.'
"(Pause at 10:00.) This is difficult to explain, and even for me
to unravel....The tomb was empty because this same group carted the
body away. Mary Magdalene did see Christ, however, immediately
after (see Matthew 28). (Long pause.) Christ was a great psychic.
He caused the wounds to appear then upon his own body, and appeared
both physically and in out-of-body states to his followers. He
tried, however, to explain what had happened, and his position, but
those who were not in on the conspiracy would not understand, and
misread his statements.
"Peter three times denied the Lord (Matthew 26), saying he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.
"The plea, 'Peter, why hast thou forsaken me?' came from the man
who believed he was Christ--the drugged version. Judas pointed out
that man. He knew of the conspiracy, and feared that the real
Christ would be captured. Therefore he handed over to the
authorities a man known to be a self-styled messiah--to save, not
destroy, the life of the historical Christ.
(10:05. Jane's pace had speeded up considerably by now.)
"Symbolically, however, the crucifixion idea itself embodied deep
dilemmas and meanings of the human psyche, and so the Crucifixion
per se became a far greater reality than the actual physical events
that occurred at the time.
"Only the deluded are in danger of, or capable of, such self-
sacrifice, you see, or find it necessary. Only those still bound up
in ideas of crime and punishment would be attracted to that kind of
religious drama, and find within it deep echoes of their own
subjective feelings.
"Christ knew however, clairvoyantly, that these events in one way
or another would occur, and the probable dramas that could result.
The man involved could not be swerved from his subjective decision.
He would be sacrificed to make the old Jewish prophecies come true,
and he could not be dissuaded.
"(10:10.) In the Last Supper when Christ said, 'This is my body,
and this is my blood,' He meant to show that the spirit was within
all matter, interconnected, and yet apart--that his own spirit was
independent of his body, and also in his own way to hint that he
should no longer be identified with his body. For he knew the dead
body would not be his own.
"This was all misunderstood. Christ then changed his mode of
behavior, appearing quite often in out-of-body states to his
followers. (See John 20, 21; Matthew 28; Luke 24.) Before, he had
not done this to that degree. He tried to tell them however that he
was not dead, and they chose to take him symbolically. (A one-minute
pause.)
"His physical presence was no longer necessary, and was even an
embarrassment under the circumstances. He simply willed himself out
of it."
Below is his account in Seth Speaks:
After that, Seth added some words that without the wounds, his followers would not have believed he was himself.
He ate to prove he was alive, but they took that to mean the spirit could partake of food.
And that they wanted to believe he had been crucified and arisen.
Also:
''He also told me that the man, Christ, was kidnapped by the Essenes. I
did not believe him. Nor at the time he told me did I know who Christ
was.''
SESSION 588, AUGUST 2, 1971, 9:01 P.M. MONDAY
Comment: So, MAYBE, this is "the group," along w/Judas, who gave to the
authorities a fake Christ and later took the body away after the
crucifixion?
Was Christ incommunicado for a long enough time that people
perhaps thought he'd been executed or crucified?
Did the fake Christ resemble the real one?
Some of Christ circle seemed to have had part of the story:
''Peter [a key figure in the early church] three times denied the Lord, saying he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.''
''Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son.''
And of course Judas.
Why were the followers so misunderstanding especially when some of them had at least part of the story?
Chapter 22 of SETH SPEAKS:
"Now, for your edification: Christ, the historical Christ, was not
crucified...You will have to give me time here. (Pause.)
"He had no intention of dying in that manner; but others felt that
to fulfill the prophecies in all ways, a crucifixion was a necessity.
"Christ did not take part in it. (Pause.) There was a conspiracy
in which Judas played a role, an attempt to make a martyr out of
Christ. The man chosen was drugged--hence the necessity of helping
him carry the cross (see Luke 23)--and he was told that he was
Christ.
"He believed that he was. He was one of those deluded, but he
also himself believed that he, not the historical Christ, was to
fulfill the prophecies.
"Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son. Out of compassion she was present. The group
responsible wanted it to appear that one particular portion of
the Jews had crucified Christ, and never dreamed that the whole
Jewish people would be 'blamed.'
"(Pause at 10:00.) This is difficult to explain, and even for me
to unravel....The tomb was empty because this same group carted the
body away. Mary Magdalene did see Christ, however, immediately
after (see Matthew 28). (Long pause.) Christ was a great psychic.
He caused the wounds to appear then upon his own body, and appeared
both physically and in out-of-body states to his followers. He
tried, however, to explain what had happened, and his position, but
those who were not in on the conspiracy would not understand, and
misread his statements.
"Peter three times denied the Lord (Matthew 26), saying he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.
"The plea, 'Peter, why hast thou forsaken me?' came from the man
who believed he was Christ--the drugged version. Judas pointed out
that man. He knew of the conspiracy, and feared that the real
Christ would be captured. Therefore he handed over to the
authorities a man known to be a self-styled messiah--to save, not
destroy, the life of the historical Christ.
(10:05. Jane's pace had speeded up considerably by now.)
"Symbolically, however, the crucifixion idea itself embodied deep
dilemmas and meanings of the human psyche, and so the Crucifixion
per se became a far greater reality than the actual physical events
that occurred at the time.
"Only the deluded are in danger of, or capable of, such self-
sacrifice, you see, or find it necessary. Only those still bound up
in ideas of crime and punishment would be attracted to that kind of
religious drama, and find within it deep echoes of their own
subjective feelings.
"Christ knew however, clairvoyantly, that these events in one way
or another would occur, and the probable dramas that could result.
The man involved could not be swerved from his subjective decision.
He would be sacrificed to make the old Jewish prophecies come true,
and he could not be dissuaded.
"(10:10.) In the Last Supper when Christ said, 'This is my body,
and this is my blood,' He meant to show that the spirit was within
all matter, interconnected, and yet apart--that his own spirit was
independent of his body, and also in his own way to hint that he
should no longer be identified with his body. For he knew the dead
body would not be his own.
"This was all misunderstood. Christ then changed his mode of
behavior, appearing quite often in out-of-body states to his
followers. (See John 20, 21; Matthew 28; Luke 24.) Before, he had
not done this to that degree. He tried to tell them however that he
was not dead, and they chose to take him symbolically. (A one-minute
pause.)
"His physical presence was no longer necessary, and was even an
embarrassment under the circumstances. He simply willed himself out
of it."
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