Seth Session #604 -- ancient aliens

Seth Session #604 (from the Yale archives)

Wednesday January 12, 1972, 9:19 p.m.

(Notes on an abortive projection attempt; I lay down for a nap
after supper on Friday evening, Jan 14. I used the bedroom in
apartment four. We had been working long hours on our own, and I
had been putting in overtime at Artistic, so I was quite tired.
I dozed for a few moments upon laying down, then came awake to
find myself with the unmistakable feeling of floating halfway to
the ceiling of the bedroom.)

(The sensation was quite definite, and quiet strange. For I
still felt my body against the bed - I lay face up, covered by a
blanket - as though my body was pasted to the bed. In other
words, I floated in the air, bed and all, quite pleasantly. There
was no fear or panic. Instead I hoped to continue the experience
into something greater.)

(Shortly after I became aware, Jane began to do the dishes.
The geography of our kitchen in apartment four is such that noise
can evidently seep through a closet wall in the bedroom and so is
quite easily heard. Jane made noise handling the dishes, I heard
the water run,etc. In addition she turned on her radio. Even
though she kept it on low volume, I heard it. I told myself these
things would not distract me. I lay without moving a muscle,
trying to encourage further developments without straining. The
floating free sensation continued but I wasn't able to develop it

(I nearly always use suggestions re projection when I lay
down. I believe my tiredness tonight helped the state. Now I sent
Jane messages that she would leave me undistracted, but nothing
developed. The feeling lasted for well over a minute, I would
estimate; finally it began to diminish or fade out, and I fell
asleep again. Upon writing this, I now recall that immediately
upon laying down I drifted into a rather complete, if brief,
dreaming state - but I cannot recall the dream. But I went form
the dream into the projection.)

(Peculiarly, I had no feeling of being detached from my
physical body - that is, I didn't feel I was bodiless, hovering
above it; I had taken the bed up with me, you see. I felt the bed
and I were several feet above the floor. I wanted to try turning
over astrally, and I wanted to try reaching up toward the ceiling
astrally, to see if I could touch it. I didn't move at all,
though, because of the noise form the kitchen. I managed to hold
the state while considering the kitchen interference, but was
concerned lest any attempt at movement on my part would break the
spell entirely.)

(The session this evening, Wednesday, developed rather
spontaneously out of several factors that combined almost
effortlessly. The recent Sumari developments involving both of us
played a part. So did my studying of photos of Baalbek, the first
century AD Roman ruins in Lebanon. The enormity of the stones in
these buildings left me amazed; I didn't see how blocks weighing
1200 tons could be moved without machinery, let alone fitted into
place over twenty feet up on foundations, etc. The pictures were
truly awe-inspiring. I came across them in one of the books on
ancient history that Shirley Bickford, one of Jane's students,
brought for us to consult on the very ancient civilization,
Sumeria, in Mesopotamia, from 4000 to 2000 BC, I believe without
consulting dates.)

(Jane and I hadn't believed there was any connection between
Jane's Sumarian development, and Sumer, since the Sumari, as
explained in recent sessions, had never been physical in our
terms. Tonight's session went into this, to our surprise.)
(Shortly after supper this evening, Tom Milligan, a former
student of Jane's brought us a copy of Saga Magazine for Dec. 71.
It contained an article by our friend Otto Binder, entitled
"Ufo's Own Earth and All Mankind!" This article touched
upon many ideas we are interested in, and quoted astrophysicist
Fred Hoyle, among others, re the ownership of the race idea. We
spend some time discussing it. We had no opinion particularly,
beyond remembering that according to Seth the whole question of
the race of man and its origins, and doubts concerning theories
of evolution, was vastly more complicated than was generally
believed. Seth's ideas of time give us quite a different approach
to these ideas also.)

(In the NY Times tonight I read an article, with pictures, of
the Mars probe currently underway by our Mariner spacecraft. Dr.
Carl Sagan of Cornell University was quoted in the article. Dr.
Sagan was also quoted in Otto's article, regarding the ancient
Sumerian - Akkadian legends and UFO's, to our surprise. The
question that has always bothered me is brought up - why does our
history only go back five or 6000 years ago, when Homo Sapiens
appeared some 50 000 years ago as an established species?)
(In addition, I have always doubted the block and tackle idea
used in constructing such massive, enormous wonders as Baalbek.
With this goes my questions concerning the ability of sculptors
to do the marvelously intricate carving adorning all of these
buildings, on such an enormous scale. I have always wondered just
how it was possible, with the few tools then available, according
to our history, to do this work. It seems beyond the tools scope.
I would delight in seeing it duplicated today, using identical
stone, tools, etc., with time trials.)

(Thus, all of these points came together tonight and resulted
in the session. In the beginning Jane's pace was rather slow, her
eyes closed often. The session was held in her study in apartment

Seth: "Now good evening."

Rob: "Good evening, Seth.""

Seth: "The message for tonight is: you are not owned.

"Now, your human stock did not all originate solely from
your planet. I never told you that it did. In that respect your
ancestry is indeed varied. Some of the information given in my
own book, by inference, should have made that clear."

(By coincidence - Seth's book has just come back to us from
Prentice Hall for us to go over the copy editor's suggestions
before it is set in galleys, which we will see in April. But we
haven't had time to reread the manuscript.)

Seth: "Evolution, as it is thought of, had many different
aspects in those terms. There were three or four beginning
points. Do you follow me?"

Rob: "Yes."

Seth: "There were then visits from others in other
planetary systems. In that regard this is quite natural. Your own
relative isolation is far from the average. The legends, many of
them, therefore, were of course chronicles of quite legitimate
physical events, describing phenomena for example for which
natives had no adequate vocabulary. They were forced to describe
what they saw by making comparisons with objects and events
already familiar to them."

(Jane's pace, as Seth, was now quite a bit faster.)

"Some such visitors, in your terms, were more evolved than others.
All, however, would appear as superhuman in contrast to those
civilizations that encountered them. There were some deliberate
experiments, that were in fact far more dangerous to the
experimenters, always in which the experimenters tried, in one
way or another, tried to advance man's knowledge.

(9:29) "It is not nearly as simple as that, however.
There is not a one-line development. By the time that feasible
inter-system space travel is practical, the psychic abilities are
developed to a very high degree. One is necessary for the other.
Therefore, it became much more feasible to approach earth men
during their dream state, when their natural fear reactions were
somewhat minimized, and where the danger to the visitors was far

(It was so hot in the room that I asked Seth to wait while I
turned the heat off. I also opened a kitchen window. Jane sat
quietly in trance.)

Seth: "Out of body encounters were used as a matter of
course. The visitor could appear and disappear then without fear
of pursuit. Civilizations were often warned in advance of natural
disasters that were apparent to the visitors with their greater

"Such warnings were either given in the dream state of
the earth men, for the reasons given or often in some secluded
place, for often the visitors would be attacked. During these
eras, in your terms, the Speakers often acted as go-betweens.
Often warnings of disaster were not followed. Some warnings were
misunderstood, then, as punishment by the gods of 'moral

(9:36) "The whole moral code idea was originally tailored
for the current scene as it was encountered, told in terms that
the natives could understand.

"The pyramids, the huge boulders etched out (I think Seth
refers here to Baalbek; I didn't interrupt to ask.) All of this
was done in one way or another through the use of, a knowledge
of, both coordination points in space (described by Seth in his
own book) and the use of sound.

(Also described to some degree.)

There were instruments that released sound, and directed it in
the same way, say, that a laser beam does with light.
"Drawings of some of these exist in primitive Sumerian
cave renditions, but the drawings are misinterpreted, the
instrument is taken for another. No one knows how to use the
instruments. There are a few in existence, in your terms."

(The Sumerians were a pre-Semetic race inhabiting the lower
Euphrates valley; their empire dated from about the 4th
millennium BC. They were probably the Biblical Shinar. Their
country was called Sumer, etc.)

Seth: "The Sumarians (spelled) left the memory of their
existence in the Sumerian culture (spelled. This is the
connection Jane and I hadn't believed existed.) They initiated
it, though they did not direct all of its activities, nor were
they responsible for the distortions of their teachings that
often resulted. There is a difference then between Sumarian and
the culture in the books. Your Sumarian were behind the culture -
they initiated that particular civilization.

"I will be clear. Your Sumarian showed earth people at
that time how to communicate, how to initiate crafts, gave them
all the fundamentals upon which a civilization then could be
based. The Sumarians, your Sumarians however, were not of human
stock at that time.

"Now. Your Sumarians have become human stock in those
terms at other times. it is not a point of them trying to invade
a native stock. They simply understood the nature of individual
existences. Therefore, they are able to choose from various
physical systems those in which they would like to have

"They maintain their inner knowledge and integrity, and
are born within any given system. They always use their native
abilities and talents to help the system, working very strongly
in psychic or creative endeavors.

"I do not necessarily mean that they are consciously
aware of their affiliation. This is an individual matter. They
are often inventors, always then involved with the initiation of
new ideas or discoveries. All of this follows inner patterns that
are specifically human in your terms. Humanity therefore has its
own characteristics, and no 'outside influence' can go counter to
these, but must work with them.

(9:50) "When it seems that great discoveries come, and
then are lost through the ages, perhaps to be rediscovered, it
simply means that man's own nature was not in harmony with them,
could not use them properly. Whenever aggressiveness became too
misguided it automatically caused the loss of powers or
discoveries that could be used to destroy the planet.

"This is a natural aspect, the self-protective principle
that operates within earth life as you know it. On occasion
discoveries were given before their time, and promptly lost, only
to be rediscovered ages later.

"The problem comes when you try to categorize
consciousness or being. The out of body state, in greater terms,
is a far more natural state than in the body. You adopt and make
a body. You do this now without even knowing that you do so, but
a body can be made from the camouflage of any system, constructed
easily when you know how to do it.

"Space suits are, therefore, an inadequate, clumsy memory
of an inner ability to clothe the inner self with whatever
camouflage is at hand, to merge with the elements of an
environment in such a way that you become a living part of it.

"The Sumarians - Your Sumerians (spelled) did this when
they initiated the culture spoken about in your books. Their
sense of time is completely different, as however your own is
innately. It is difficult to explain this, but keeping in touch
with a civilization for several thousand years of your earth
time, would entail perhaps the same amount of time and effort a
man might take in his profession over a period of five to ten
years, so the relativity of time is important in that context.
"You may take your break."

(10:01 - Jane's pace had been good, her trance good also. I
had trouble in some instances deciding in the copy which spelling
to use - Sumerian or Sumarian; in some instances my quick
decisions were in error, I came to believe as I typed up this
copy, so as can be seen I made changes. Jane read them over, and
agrees that this copy is now as Seth meant it to be.)
(I told Jane at breakfast that I needed a capsule definition
of Sumari and she said that last night in ESP class Seth had
commented that the Sumari was a "federation of
consciousness." We get the duplicated transcript of each ESP
class the following week, so we do not have the record for last
night's ESP class session, for 1/11, yet.)

(During break I referred again to the photos of the massive
ruins of Baalbek in one of the books Shirley Bickford lent us. I
explained to Jane my feeling that the amazingly intricate stone
carving, particularly the bas-relief work, seemed beyond the
abilities of the hammer and chisel. Jane broke in to tell me that
this carving was done by small instruments that used inaudible
sound waves: these radiations softened the stone, she said, so
the work could be performed. She didn't know where this data came
from. If from Seth it wasn't obvious to her.)

(Resume at 10:20)

Seth: "Now - Are you ready for me?

Rob: "Yes."

Seth: "Basically - in your terms now - there is no such
thing as an isolated, independent earth stock, in that
consciousness did not suddenly erupt from the physical behavior
or characteristics of your planet, or in any other.
"As you know, consciousness comes first, and then forms
the physical materializations of it. Those consciousnesses who
picked physical materialization choose to operate under certain
conditions that then appear as the natural characteristics of a
species to you.

"They accept certain characteristics, and while
experiencing existence within them must follow along the roads
they've chosen. Hence earlier I spoke of the natural bent of
humanity, of all those, then, who choose existence within you
particular planetary existence.

"Consciousness is not local, and it never was.
"You have always been Sumari. This simply means that your
consciousness has certain bents of its own, interests and
abilities and specializations. The word Sumari characterizes a
certain kind of consciousness simply for means of identification
in your terms.

"I told you once that there are clumps of consciousness.
This does not mean that consciousness is not individual and
separate, but that it also has a great ability to congregate, to
reach out in affiliation, to share knowledge and experience, and
to combine itself in ever-changing patterns while still retaining
its basic identity and integrity.

(10:29) "To have explained this to you when we began our
sessions would not have been possible. (Pause.) Now give us a

(Long pause.)

"Space and time are constructions of ideas. They do not
appear physically, as say a table or a chair, yet they seem to
define both a table and a chair, in that you cannot easily
conceive of a piece of furniture, for example, existing except in
the medium of space and time.

"The ideas of space and time are constructed in different
ways in various systems. In some they appear as natural
phenomena, for example as various classifications of objects, in
some as variations of sound or light. You find it exceedingly
difficult to consider existence at all without space and time,
yet basically consciousness is independent of both.

"The ideas of space and time emerge only when
consciousness adopts camouflage, only when it becomes wedded, in
other words, with a physical type existence. Time and space are
both creations of consciousness, in other words, and vehicles of
its expression.

"Matter is a classification. As explained in my book,
various levels of concentration can be used as platforms leading
you out of focus, into other time schemes. Time is like color.
You are merely focusing upon one hue.


"Your present civilization and the 'old' Sumerian
(spelled) civilization, exist at once, then simultaneously, but
to speak to you about these I must use a time sequence you
understand. If it were understood that these civilizations exist
at once, then you would not be so surprised that they 'were' able
to build structures that you cannot build in your now.
"Your now and their now exists now.

"In the present physical area in which it seems to you
that a physical civilization once existed, that civilization
still exists. You cannot meet it though you stand at the same
spot, because of the ideas of time that separate you. The
civilization in flower, and the ruins, coexist. The living
ancient Sumerians pass the modern tourists without seeing them,
even as the tourists walk in the middle of the old Sumerian
marked places and see only ruins.

"Much of this could be explained in mathematical
equations that presently escape you. Your own consciousness is
contemporary with the ancient Sumerians (spelled) as well as with
your current selves in your terms.

(10:46) "Think of countries existing simultaneously now
on your planet. There are differences in language and culture,
and it takes a certain amount of earth time to travel through
space to visit them. In the same way all times exist at once,
with their peculiar customs, and in your terms within the same
space that you know.

"You have learned how to make roads through space, but
not through time on a conscious level. There are intersections in
time and space, however, that you have not recognized. I am
speaking in your terms, hopefully to make this simpler. (Pause.)
Times exist then as surely as places. You think of time as moving
toward something, and of space as relatively stable.

"It does not occur to you then that you can get to times,
as you can get to places. (Pause at 10:53.) All of this is highly
difficult to explain. I do not mean for example that time, each
moment, is a finished and done thing to be visited. While time is
not moving in a particular direction, in your terms, each moment
explodes outwards, or expands outward in all directions.

"Space and time as you understand them ripple through
each other. They do not behave as you think they do, however.
Presently you understand your existence only as it intrudes into
three dimensions. Its own activity is in many other dimensions

"The Sumari, therefore, appear in or intrude into the
three dimensional system from other dimensions.
"Now you may take a break or end the session as you

Rob: "We'll take the break."

(10:58. Jane's trance had again been very good. Now she talked
more about what she had said at last break, concerning the
carving done on stone that had been softened by instruments
employing sound. Only a very sophisticated instrument was used,
she said, to soften the top layer of the stone so that it was
"like frosting which could then be easily carved. The
instrument might have done both the softening and the

(But first of all," she added as we continued to talk,
"either that instrument or another one was used to isolate
the top layer of the stone from the rest of it so that it wasn't
weakened." We had been discussing the very intricate and
extensive bas-relief carving pictured on the door frames and
lintels of the ruins at Baalbek in this instance - not, say the
in-the-round carving shown on columns,etc.)

(Ack-a-sond-a. This is my phonetic interpretation of a word
Jane got regarding the instrument in question, whether from Seth
or not she didn't know, as at last break. The sound wasn't
audible to human ears. The instrument "sort of looked like -
I can't really do it - the shape I'm getting is of a very rough
pistol shape...All you had to do was aim it. That was just for
the small stuff."

(Resume at 11:15)

Seth: "Now. Matter was manipulated through sound. Some
remnants of spaceships became temples. Some visitors were seen to
die, and later seen again recovered, hence the Egyptians'
sureness that the individual survived death.
"Because of space travel a visitor might come as a young
man, and return some 40 earth years later still appearing as a
young man, leading to the idea of immortality and eternal youth
of the gods."

(Such effects would grow out of the operation of Einstein's
relativity postulates, etc.)

Seth: "The Olympic gods were perhaps the most amusing of
man's attempt to deify space travelers. Mixed in here strongly
were the ideas of gods mating with earth women. (Pause.)
"In some respects the over enthusiastic use of the sound
was responsible for the flood mentioned in the Bible, and other
literature. It was for this reason that many attempts were made
to warn against the impending disaster. The use of sound was
important at various times in irrigating dry areas, quite
literally by pulling water from a distance.

(11:22) "There were several characteristics that proved
difficult, however. Literally, the sound traveled further often
than was intended, causing consequences not planned upon. Great
finesse was important. Sound was also used after irrigation to
speed up the flowering of plants, and to facilitate
transplantation to other areas. It was also utilized for
medicinal purposes in operations, particularly in bone and brain

"Verbal sounds were often stereotyped simply because the
effect of sound was understood in its effects upon the body. Many
ideas that are considered superstitious had a quite legitimate
basis, therefore. Sound was used to locate one also, and to break
someone down. It was also used to locate gas pockets.
"This is a difficult subject. For the movement of heavy
tons of rock for example different techniques, using sound and
precise mathematical calculations were necessary. Many
civilizations grew and flourished in fertile areas simply because
the people knew how to make them fertile and to keep them that

"Now you had better end the session. My heartiest regards
to you both."

Rob: "Thank you very much, Seth. It's been extremely
interesting. Good night."

(11:32. Both of us were quite tired. There was much more data
available, we knew, but we were to weary to get it.)

Rob's Notes:
I read the 604th Session to ESP class on Tuesday, January 7,
1975. After I'd read some pages, George Rhodes held up a drawing
he'd made of the ankh and asked Seth - who had come through - -
if the sound instrument was the ankh, or at least shaped like it.
Like a pistol if held sideways. The "barrel" would emit
the sound ray and the mechanisms and controls would be in the
short arms.

Seth told George he was quite right. The passage will be
included in the class transcript for 1/7/75 that we'll get next
Tuesday, and I'll try to remember to attach a copy of it to this

ankh (angk), n. (Egypt. ankh life, prosperity.) A T-shaped
cross surmounted by a loop, used as a sacred emblem, symbolizing
life; - called also crux ansata.