Seth seems to refer to the subnuclear zoo and to not support dark matter/energy

As an analogy, think of driving on a hot summer day on a highway and it looks like there's water on the road up ahead, you get closer and that disappears, the pavement is dry. Mirage.
So, I think what astronomers are seeing thru their telescopes is also a "mirage" which they are drawing conclusions from.
I admit I might be wrong in all this, but that's what I think. The idea of "dark matter" doesn't feel right to me.

Thanks for "listening."

On 4/4/2020 12:17 PM, Mark M Giese wrote:

The idea of dark matter/dark energy is needed to make things "add up" in terms of what the astronomers observe and their ideas of the physical universe.
For things to "add up," there has to be more dark matter in the universe than regular matter.
Seth might be wrong, but I think he is saying below that this is crazy.
The session is from 1964 when the terms dark matter/dark energy had not become commonly known.

So I am making an inference to dark matter/dark energy with respect to his thoughts as given in the session.

"Your scientists can count their elements. While they are on the wrong track they will discover more and more elements. [I think he is referring to the subnuclear "zoo." If many millions of CUs comprise just one atom, there will be countless possible groupings of CUs to make up the endless subnuclear zoo. --Mark]  That is, they will create more and discover more until they are ready to go out of their minds. Because what will happen is, they will always create camouflages of the real thing. And while they create instruments to deal with smaller and smaller particular particles, they will actually see smaller and smaller particles, seemingly without end.

As their instruments reach further into the universe they will “see,” and I suggest that you put the word see into quotes, they will “see” further and further but they will automatically subconsciously transform what they apparently see into the camouflage pattern with which they are familiar.

They will be and they are prisoners of their own tools. More galaxies will seemingly be discovered, more mysterious radio stars will be perceived, until the scientists realize that something is desperately wrong. [The wrongness, in my opinion is the notion that there must be dark matter and far more of it than regular matter to make things "add up." --Mark] Instruments designed to measure the vibrations with which scientists are familiar will be designed and redesigned. All sorts, finally, of seemingly impossible phenomena will be discovered with these instruments. The instruments will be designed to catch certain camouflages and since they are expertly thought out they will perform their function.

I do not want to get too involved. However by certain means the instruments will themselves transform data from terms that you cannot understand into terms that you can understand. Scientists do this all the time. However what this involves is a watering down of data, a simplification that distorts all out of shape, the original is hardly discernible when you are done. You are destroying the meaning in the translation.

The instruments themselves do this transforming, transforming say the idea of time or light years into sound patterns, radio waves and such. You lose too much in this process. What you get is so distorted that you have absolutely no near perception of the original. I will go into this much more deeply, as there is much more to be said on a technical level. But when you decipher one phenomena in terms of another you always lose sight of whatever glimmer of understanding may have reached you.

It is not a matter of inventing new instruments any longer. It is a matter of using the invisible instruments that you have. These instruments may be known and even examined by their effects. This material itself is evidence. It is like the branch that moves so that you know wind by its effects; and a windbag like me by the billowing gale of my monologues.

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Scientists realize that the atmosphere of the earth is a distortion, or has a distorting effect upon their instruments. What they do not understand is that their instruments themselves are bound to be distortive. This cannot be emphasized too strongly. Any material physical instrument will have built-in distortive effects. The one instrument which is more important than any other and which has given you, that is mankind, all its breakthroughs and advance is the brain. Or rather the mind which contains the brain, and which is the meeting place of the inner and outer senses.

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The brain deals exclusively with camouflage patterns, transforming vitality into physical environmental camouflage patterns. The mind deals with basic principles inherent on all planes. The brain is itself part of the camouflage pattern, and can be interpreted and probed by physical instruments. The mind cannot be probed by physical instruments. It cannot even be found by physical instruments. The mind is the connective. It is here that the secrets of the universe will be discovered, and the mind itself is the tool of discovery.

The brain is of your plane. You may say that the brain is the mind in camouflage. Imagination belongs to the mind. It can be used by and is used by the brain for purposes of survival, and can sometimes be probed by physical instruments. That is physical instruments can be made to make the imagination move on occasion. But imagination is a property of mind, not brain, and no physical tool can force the imagination to conceive of an original conception or idea."

—TES1, Session 19, January 27, 1964