Jane Roberts' violating past life

p.168 PERSONAL SESSION 8\30/72

He [Jane Turkish past life] used the sword...and was involved in wars 
against
Christendom. He knew Pete (Stersky, an ESP class student) who was 
then a
dancer, a woman.

The two of you were exceedingly close in male comradeship far more 
intense than
any known now in your time. In your terms he was--in your terms from 
this
standpoint--he was a fanatic against the Christians for religious, 
political,
and economic reasons. He feared Rome and hated it. It was no 
coincidence that
Father Traynor used to read Don Juan of Austria (in the Catholic 
Church young
Jane attended), for they knew each other at that time.

Ruburt demanded utmost obedience. He lived for the cause. Many were 
killed
upon his word. His sense of energy was boundless, and he was 
convinced of his
purpose. Toward the end of a long life, however, he began to doubt. 
Life was
cheap. Give us a moment.

(Pause at 10:25) But he took a nationalistic glory in killing his 
enemies. 
Each death he saw as a triumph for the cause. I am not sure, here, if 
the word
is Tartar. You were with him, but of personal loyalty to him and the
brothership of male with male was considered sacred--but you became 
appalled
that he was leading his people into destruction.

He died, and came back as the next leader--this leader being the saw 
the final
dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. He felt that he had led, in the 
second
existence, a whole people astray, for a cause in which he had once 
completely
believed, and given entire allegiance.

He determined then to keep this power to sway people in line, until 
if ever, he
was sure of his cause. He led armies, then, and to what end, he 
thought. It was
in that life also that he knew Sue as the personality that emerged 
between them.

Now take your break.

(10:30 Jane remembered the material. She's also had images. At break 
she got a
series of images of the first ruler, bloodthirsty and joyous as he 
killed, she
said. A great sword a shield, cries, white teeth and dark skin. "And 
absolutely
convinced of his views. I must be getting him bigger than life, 
because now I
see him bounding all over Europe with his great big shield." She had 
these
images or impressions off to her left.

(Resume at 10:45)

Now this is one of the reasons why he was so worried in this life, 
leading
people away from Christendom, for he did it before. In the first of 
those two
lives, both of you to some extent tried to your ideas of truth 
through force,
physically. The use of great physical force therefore was used 
purposely. You
were involved with your ideas of truth in an entirely different 
context, as was
much of Europe at that time, and some of the world now.

SESSION 8/30/72 169

You were not that out of keeping with your times, then. The whole 
world, more
or less, was experimenting with the use of brutal force as an 
accepted method
of enforcing ideas. [Is it a little less of a violation if "everyone 
else is
doing it" too? --MkM] Anything else was the exception. There are other
connections with this life, in which Ruburt chose a woman for his 
mother who
was helpless. Not only could he not attack her, but he was in a 
position where
he must serve her.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with 
another
leader--I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to 
check some
of this later--I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, 
after he
was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put 
himself in a
position therefore where violence could not be used.

The mother had been particularly given to the mutilation of 
prisoners, and
hence chose the physical condition finally--not, now, as punishment, 
but to
understand the experience--and to develop abilities under those 
conditions.

It was then, when Ruburt found himself at all close to a position of 
any
importance, that he came into difficulties, because people would begin
listening him again, and he had to be sure his message was a true one.

The personality however, tell him, lived according to his lights, 
possessed
primitive love of nature, and did, now, inspire others with heroism 
under the
conditions chosen. In the second existence mentioned, he was again a 
leader,
but learned the two-tongued nature of power, and allowed the 
Christians to win.
In a way he handed that burden over to them. They had to grapple with 
and for
several centuries.

Had they not, the history of the world as you know it would have been 
quite
different. The Ottoman Empire ended up stripped of its power then on 
purpose,
where the deceiving nature of power was given to Christendom, and 
this our
friend saved his people from a probable future in which the unsavory 
aspects of
power predominated for them.

He took the temptation away. I have a small point here, in that Hitler
represented as a bleedthrough from a probable reality -- extremely 
interesting.
He was a personality who literally should have been born back in 
those eras,
and was not. In one respect he was like a time projection, appearing 
out of
place, a psychological warp brought into displacement by a phenomena 
that
psychologically could be likened to a natural phenomena like a 
volcano.

The energy from that time, the disturbance between Christendom and 
the East,
generated such energy--very simply put, now--that the physical times 
could not
contain it and it erupted, in your terms, into the future.

As an analogy, most events are this high. Jane held up her cigarette 
lighter.)

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The events in the times of the Crusades, for example, were this high. 
(Jane
raised an arm over her head full length.) Following the analogy the 
times, the
physical times in which they would ordinarily have occurred, would 
have ended,
say, here--Jane indicated a spot six inches above the lighter but the 
energy
was so great that it catapulted some of these events, displacing what 
you think
of a time, so that they appeared, as Hitler did, where theoretically, 
now, they
should not have.

This kind of displacement can occur, but in practical terms, the 
terms which
you judge time, this is unusual. 

Hitler appeared therefore as a far more vicious character against 
your current
world, than he would have had those other times contained him.

Yet his emergence was important, reminding the race of the perils in 
which it
could indeed fall. In many respects however Hitler was not a complete
personality in usual terms. Part of his vitality and what would have 
been his
redeeming qualities, were sunken in the past in which he did not 
exist.

Now man, despite all appearances, is always dealing with the nature 
reality and
his historical periods are simply areas in which different methods 
and ways are
tried--all, as he learns to manipulate and use the energy of which he 
and his
world are composed. And all of these, therefore, these searches, 
exist at once
in greater terms.

All of those involved in the Ottoman Empire had their reasons 
therefore, tell
Ruburt, and the victims acquiesced to the basic assumptions of the 
time, much
as you and Ruburt did. The energy released was fantastic. It also 
involved the
opening of many channels through which sheer vitality was made 
accessible and
served as an impetus against which man could judge his progress.

There was an unabashed joy with the splendor of the body, and 
sensuous delight,
that Ruburt can now remind himself of and that served to help 
regenerate at
least portions of Christendom that were given to ideals of bodily 
denial.

The Ottoman Empire's death in its own way regenerated Europe, and its 
energy
gave birth to the civilization that you know. The death of the 
Ottoman Empire
enriched Europe. The pagan "Joy of life" in its own way sparked new 
blood.
Christendom would have died out otherwise, for it was already tired.
Unwittingly therefore Ruburt aided the growth of Christendom as it 
became known.

Now, you can take a break or end the session as you prefer.

("We'll take the break."

(11:17 This was actually the end of the session. While talking Jane 
had images
in trance that she couldn't describe now, concerning Hitler and 
displacements
"shooting out" of their times, etc.

(After the session she had more impressions off to her left of the 
Turkish
leader--"the white teeth and dark skin. He loved fancy clothes. He 
had enormous
vitality bounding about, killing with a joyful childlike innocence, 
if you can
put it that way. He seems like a giant to me." Jane said her body 
reacted in
different ways--"with a thrill, a chill, an empty stomach all at 
once....') 
 

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