Unpublished Seth session 744--Christ, Gods, etc.

From: William B <themightywoodsmen@...>

To: m.mk@...

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 09:26:09 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Gday Mark - Unpublished Seth session 744

 

Hello to you, Mark.

Hope your doing well :-)

I don't think you are a member of Ron Card's Facebook page: "SETH FORCE - The Adventure in Consciousness Continues."

Ron posted an unpublished session that he obtained from Laurel and it contains a few references to Christ that I thought you may be interested in, I have pasted it below in case you have not yet read it.

Cheers,

William.

As promised, here's "never-before-published" Seth session 744, for May 7, 1975. No book reference. It is dripping with eye-opening Christ insights, actually in my opinion, a "mini" Christ booklet and much more...from Rob's transcript volume #18...from ron...

Seth: Good Evening.

Rob: Good Evening, Seth.

Seth: Dictation: In certain terms Christ was an INVENTION, but then ALL of the "Gods" as they have been known WERE inventions, creative interpretations that were projected outward, catching first this man or that woman with the brilliance of divine fire.

In certain terms then religions are myths, but to say that is to speak but half the truth, and the least important part. For myths stand for a reality that defies literal "factual" translation. Because of this religions will always basically imply contradictions, but so far none has been strong enough to accept those contradictions, or to look into their basic cause.

The Christ spirit IS quite valid. Its validity is seven-fold more amazing precisely because it does not really rest upon the historical reality of one man, but shaped the great pageantry of history, affected and directed events, brought about a particular kind of world order, led artists to the point of their finest power - with all this development based upon a fabulous myth. Myths indeed then must be very powerful, and carry within them their own dimension of actuality and thrust.

Christianity has long stated that Christ's importance lay precisely in the FACT that he was born as a physical being, and it has stressed his historical existence in whatever way it could. It seemed that if Christ were not one particular man, then the entire framework would fall away. He was, after all, human and divine at the same time. The early strength of Christianity lay precisely in its historical nebulousness - a loose but powerful framework that reflected the explosive need of the mass psyche. That need, like a giant spotlight, searched and shone its light in all directions, and touched many. Some turned away, and were frightened of such a sense of destiny. They hid. Others felt the power of the light as it touched their contemporaries and shouted, "THAT IS THE MAN."

Gods-to-be vied for birth until finally various events coalesced...a MANUFACTURED history of Christ exists, made up of DISTORTED memories, actual experiences, and creative drama. Many tales were written long after any of the source-Christs lived. The miracle is the "fact" that such a seemingly nonfactual group of events altered the face of the planet, and directed its energies for centuries.

The idea of one Christ gave a focus point for identification, an image that could be referred to. The process of this image forming was a natural one as men and women dealt with innuendo, legend, and the renditions of personal experience, until altogether you had an ever-changing religious drama, a framework into which man could throw his aspirations.

The Christ spirit was valid precisely because it managed to survive such a framework. The Christ spirit is larger than any so-called physical fact - but unless this is understood then the validity of that spirit seems dependent upon the historical reality of one man, part human, part divine, named Christ.

When you are in that framework then the Christ messages must also be interpreted literally, as they were at the time. Man often wants to use religion as another tool to solve its problems. The messages are interpreted in the most practical way possibly by minds that have a VERY LIMITED knowledge of the nature of practicality.

Christ's message then was picked up, used, ALTERED to fit a thousand different purposes, and yet it survived and still led whole groups of people through the ages. People pour revelationary information into the current bowl of known facts, and when those so-called facts are proved outdated later then they are in a turmoil.

Man's state of consciousness at the time, historically given as Christ's birth, was such that the ego was strongly emerging; it felt its strength but was also afraid of its own daring, and identified strongly with the mortality of the body. It needed a new creative forward-thrusting impetus that would enable it to realize its existence after death, and to reinforce that intuitive knowledge. As in (Psychic ?) Politics, the Jewish prophets had foreseen such a state, and there was a built-in psychic framework ready. The MALE God was still used, however, for the race had chosen to identify the ego with the male characteristics, and the FEMALE with the intuitive ones.

The Christ myth arose triumphantly from the shoulders, figuratively speaking, of several lives. The air was ripe. There were a large number of splintered religious sects, and self-proclaimed messiahs EVERYWHERE. But the self-proclaimed messiahs stood for an INNER messiah, and for man's need to rise above the conditions of time and consciousness. The people ask what truth is, and when they do so they question from a certain LIMITED view point, and deal with a limited order of events. It is as if someone asks you, "I want to know if a violet is a truth." You answer, "yes," and the individual (louder) then goes shouting to all his fellows, Ah-ha - all roses are lies because violets are truth."

In certain terms the spirit of ALL THAT IS shone down upon the people, illuminated them in a time of need, and spoke out through the lives, words, and deeds of several men - and mankind creatively merged these messages and spirit into a MYTH that contained however the great energy and power of its source.

In your time you may smile indulgently at the Gods of Olympus, and see clearly that they were mythical characters. There are nature Gods, come and gone, whose names do not even remain, buried fantasies YOU might say, precious folklore lost. Yet those Gods were no more real or no more false, or no more facts or no less facts, and no more powerful or less powerful THAN YOUR OWN. They also reigned, and molded civilizations. Men and women prayed to them at dusk and dawn, and their prayers WERE ANSWERED, as yours are when you BELIEVE that they will be. All of these Gods are the result of earthly interpretations of deeper truths, interpreted according to man's beliefs at the time, changing their faces and names and forms, but always reflecting man's relationship with the source of his own being. For that being, while physical, springs from sources that CANNOT be completely expressed in physical terms, so the Gods have had earthly faces, and the legends have always been larger than the lives upon which they were bases.

The Buddha and Christ spirit HAVE THE SAME SOURCE, then, interpreted through different cultures and different times. To some extent each man and woman alive is involved in God making, and it is one of your NATURAL characteristics, quite IGNORED by your psychologists, and a mark of your species.

Men do not make Gods just because they are frightened. They do not make Gods just because they are looking for answers. They make Gods because they instinctively feel the strength and energy of their greater being, and because they are intuitively aware of other dimensions in which they also have their existence. Men make Gods to explore the nature of their INNER reality, and this is as natural a part of the species as it is for man to explore his physical planet. He builds cities in the world, increasing commerce and communication, storing his art treasures, and he builds Gods in the image environment of his psyche in the same way. In your terms his evolutionary progress follows the progress of the Gods. Those Gods tantalizingly lead him toward life like the carrot before the donkey, and they represent the great unknown potential that is inherent in the species. They represent the source reality from which the "fact" of man's individual life springs, and therefore they are larger than any fact. So when that reality is forged into the ever-changing world of fact, there will always be contradictions, until you realize that the contradictions themselves are invaluable clues.

Take your break.

( Jane's trance had been excellent, her manner and the material inspired. Yet she'd told me before the session that she didn't care whether we had a session of not.) (Resume)

Now: if you look at the religious and cultural "underground" at any given time of great change, you will find opposing factions. One, an extremist, almost hysterical version of the old or established religious concepts, and on the other side a countering force of ideas that have been building, often for a century, appearing here and there but without capturing the imagination of the masses.

Often these will appear colored by the "old" established religious culture, or couched in its terms while carrying many ideas and beliefs that are definitely unacceptable to mainline thought. There will also be tumultuous areas in between, where the new and the old ideas meet with EXPLOSIVE variations. New Gods rise from the ashes of the old ones. So in your time Christian fundamentalists militantly bear the swords of many extremist doctrines not accepted any more by the general Christian community. They arouse old fears and superstitions, on the other hand the religious concepts that point toward your future also exist in the same underground of the culture, yet often couched in conventional Christian terms. So Edgar Cayce interpreted his revelations so as to make them FIT IN WITH his conventional Christian beliefs.

Those who are learning to alter the focus of their consciousness interpret their information also often in the same manner, so you have again the good spirits or the angels of the light, or whatever; for to THRIVE the altered religious concepts must have SOME cultural coloration.

The populace in your country is experimenting more and more with altered perception, yet these states are still considered somewhat suspect, and will be interpreted by the individual usually through his own belief system. A fundamentalist, frightened of evil and convinced of its power, WILL encounter a demon. A spiritualist will ask for a protective Christ circle, perhaps, or otherwise seek protection from the "evil spirits."

There will be Tibetan masters, as there have been, or Indian guides - or whatever format serves as a framework. Earlier, God or the Virgin or one of the saints might speak, but throughout the ages the great development of the psyche found its voice by whatever names. Thus far, in your terms, there always had to be good spirits and bad spirits, or a Christ and Antichrist, a God and a devil, because man's consciousness has not yet been able to rise above such SEEMING realities. In the past the mechanisms, the myths and the pageantry served in one way or another to express the deeper realities for which they stand. Now man's consciousness is ready for another quantum leap, in which it must begin to throw away those disguises, for they serve NOW to hide rather than to reveal.

Man thought that by making his Gods "real," he proved their validity, for a while the process meant something. For truly the Gods ARE living. ( long pause ) The native man knew that the Gods lived, thrived in each rock, stone, animal and person. As the species developed man became less democratic. His Gods were super examples of the species, and finally represented only half of that species. Then Christ was seen as born into a specific time, imprisoned in a few earthly years. Even though he was supposed to have ascended after death, this still presented a WATERED-DOWN version, since he could not be encountered in the SAME WAY again.

( long pause ) Christ served nevertheless as a beacon to consciousness as it traveled a certain road; but once more and in a different fashion, that road now branches out, for the species is beginning to use its consciousness more freely again, and after having experiences it did not have before.

In the old frame of reference there HAD to be ONE God or NONE. There could not be many, for the idea of many Gods smacked not only of Paganism, but of primitive superstition. If the ideas of one God was correct, then the concept of many Gods had to be wrong. The person who said, "There is no God," was an atheist from BOTH standpoints. The greater reality comfortably holds all three beliefs, WITHOUT contradiction, for there is no God if you are thinking of simply a crowned king of your own species. There are many Gods if you realize that each of you is a portion of ALL THAT IS.

There is one God above all, if you think of ALL THAT IS as it exists, being more than its infinite manifestations. Its manifestations however include rocks and trees, animals, atoms and molecules - and they are not inferior versions of what you are. They are simply other versions of ALL THAT IS.

Now Ruburt, in stripping away myth, helps put EACH individual who reads this material in touch with the creator. More sacred reality from which those myths spring. The true nature of mysticism CAN NEVER BE MADE LITERAL, and the Christ spirit can only show more clearly when it is NOT confined to a fact system to which IT DOES NOT BELONG.

Then the Christ story can be CLEARLY RELATED TO YOU, as an example of a sublime fantasy based on a truth that is a source OF ALL LIFE.

Take a break.

Rob notes here...This turned out to be the end of the session; I was too tired to continue. There was MORE available from Seth, Jane told me. She described what was to come next - about class, money, books, TV, sessions, material, etc., we decided to wait until Monday next to get it all. I asked her to write up a summary of the data tomorrow morning, though, so she'd have something to refer to in the meantime.